Sunday, January 29, 2012

Auto Update - The Test Drive

Two weeks ago or so I wrote about how I was considering buying a new car, and my three choices were between the Camaro, the Mustang and the Challenger. I listed horsepower and gas mileage and various other numbers. Then I asked what you thought. You overwhelming thought that A) the Challenger was the best, followed by the Mustang and B) I badly needed to go test drive all three before making any decisions. So today I did exactly that.

I also brought someone with me who has very strong opinions about everything and is never shy when it comes to sharing those opinions. They rode in the back seat of all three cars.

Here are the results of the test drives:


Camaro SS

The Camaro was the clear loser in the poll on my last post about the car decision. No one favored it. Here is what I found:

PROS: The SS model is much better-looking than a basic Camaro. I liked it much better in person than I thought I would. The engine was dead silent, which is surprising for a car making over 400 horsepower. We even popped the hood to see if it was really running because it was so quiet. It was, but if not for the turning of the pulleys you wouldn't have known it. From inside the car you can't hear a thing. Speaking of inside the car, the driver's seat is comfortable. Having a side mirror on both the driver's door and the passenger door was very helpful. The car rides solid and handled the really horrible Memphis roads with a smoother ride than I would have expected. It beat on us a little bit, but not as bad as an economy car. The car handles like a sports car, easily flying around a looping off-ramp without any lean or skidding tires at all. This car will fly. It has more power while getting better gas mileage than either of the other 2.

CONS: Sitting in this car is like putting on a condom. It's really tight in there. My left leg was against the door and I really couldn't do anything about that short of amputating my leg. The roof was so low, partially due to the fact that the car was equipped with a sunroof, that my head was touching the ceiling. Lowering the seat all the way down didn't give me any significant headroom. I definitely don't want one with a sunroof. I didn't anyway, but this just confirmed that it isn't even an option for me. I'd break my neck if I ever hit a bad bump in the road. That's just insane. Speaking of insane, I can't see in this car. Not only is there very limited visibility out the rear window, but the blind spot when trying to look to your right for a lane change is big enough to hide a Humvee. And it's no better when you look to your left either. The low roof put the rear view mirror directly in my line of sight so that I really couldn't see well out the windshield when looking towards the right. Basically, I could see what was ahead of me and in my mirrors and nothing else. I felt like I couldn't keep up with where the cars were around me because I could not see well. I would expect to have a nightmare of a time trying to maneuver this car in rush hour traffic with all the blind spots. And I would expect to die were I to ever crash at any significant speed. There's no room between you and the car at all. You're pretty much wearing it.

FROM THE BACK SEAT: I couldn't even sit up all the way and even slouching I still had to lay my head to one side. There is nowhere to put my feet. You can't slip them under the seat in front of you for some reason, so where the hell are they supposed to go? And I couldn't see anything at all except the inside of the car itself. You can't see out any of the windows. It's like being in a box. I do NOT like this car.



Mustang

The Mustang received a fair number of votes in my poll and is the car I had been considering buying for the longest amount of time. Here is what I learned from driving it:

PROS: This car felt right before I had even gotten out onto the highway. It just has something about it that feels perfect. I don't know if it's the wheelbase or steering ratio or what, but it feels like you could do circles on a 2-lane road and not even go off the pavement. It feels tight and right. It also has a mild musclecar sound that isn't too loud or too quiet. The exhaust is about perfect. Even though the interior has a lot of plastic, which I've read car enthusiasts complaining about, it didn't really bother me. If a plastic pretend bumper doesn't bother you, why would you care if the interior is plastic? Anyway, the seat was comfortable and I was able to adjust it to sit low enough that my head wasn't against the ceiling. The car had no sunroof, which helped give me enough headroom, too. And I can see extremely well in all directions.

CONS: The trunk was smaller than I expected. The driver's seat was literally touching the seat behind it, meaning there is no possible way anyone could sit there unless they had no legs at all. The plastic interior will not age well in the Memphis summer sun, but then nothing plastic ever does.

FROM THE BACK SEAT: There is nowhere to put my feet. There is something blocking them from going under the seat in front of me. But I have enough headroom to sit up straight and my seat isn't uncomfortable otherwise. Why is there no arm rest back here? I have nowhere to put my arm. Its just pressed against the side of the car with nothing to rest it on. I hate that.



Challenger

The last car I drove was the Challenger SRT8, a 2009 model because the 2010 model had sold earlier that morning and already left the lot. This is the car most people recommended that I choose.

PROS: The car looks awesome. It has the most trunk space of any of the three cars. The car can actually seat 5 people rather than 4, like the other 2. No sunroof and my head was nowhere near touching the ceiling. My left leg wasn't pressed against the driver's door while I drove. I had plenty of room, the most of any of the 3 cars. My passenger beside me, who is taller than me, had plenty of room. My passenger in the back had plenty of room. The engine rumbles like a musclecar should. The car rides like a dream, especially compared to the Camaro, which had the harshest ride. I can see better than I had expected. I really like this car.

CONS: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! Wow, between 1500 and 2000 rpms the exhaust was so loud and deep it actually hurt our ears. This is a used car so the original owner may have installed an aftermarket exhaust which is to blame for this, but I don't know if that is so at this point. I would swap out the mufflers with something quieter right away. There is a slight blind spot where the rear pillars are between the side quarter windows and the rear window. It isn't nearly as bad as in the Camaro, though, and if you move your head enough you can see around it. I believe I can compensate for this well enough for it not to be a big issue.

FROM THE BACK SEAT: I almost fell asleep. It is really comfortable back there. I had plenty of space, including leg room and my feet could slip under the seat in front of me which meant you could move it further back and I'd still have enough room. I like this car the most of all.


So there you have it. It's down to the Mustang and the Challenger and I don't know which one I'm going to choose. I liked driving the Mustang the most of all. It feels just right. But the ride and extra room inside the Challenger is unbeatable and if you're going to be doing a lot of driving like I am that matters quite a lot. But then again, the Mustang gets the best gas mileage, which also matters quite a lot when you're doing a lot of driving and over a long distance.

At this point, it may come down to what my insurance agent says it will cost me to insure either of these cars. After that, it will depend upon how much of exactly what I want I'm able to find in one of these cars. I'm not planning to buy it brand new off the lot where I get to name all my demands and have it built the way I want, so that limits me to what is available on the market. I was told the SRT8 model Challengers can be hard to get and disappear almost instantly. The fact that just last night I checked the lot and confirmed that they had 2 of them, only to arrive the following afternoon to find that the newest one had already sold and gone, would seem to confirm that actually getting a decent used SRT8 may be a significant challenge. If that proves to be the case, then I'll either have to settle for a standard V8 Challenger, or give it up and go with the much-easier-to-find Mustang GT or other specialty model, like a Shelby, Boss or Saleen.

So, what do you think now?

27 comments:

Ute said...

Man, you should know by now never to listen to back seat drivers!


The Mustang would still be my 1st choice.

But, the Challenger would be a close 2nd. There is something about it I've always liked.

Sounds like you've already made your mind up! :o)

sybil law said...

Challenger!!

Red Shoes said...

Im old enough to know that comfort inside the car is everything!

I had a '67 Camaro once... what I wouldn't give to have it back... :o(

~shoes~

SBronxNYC said...

OK, I hesitated to mention this in the last set of comments, but the NEW SRT8s and Mustangs have your dreaded HID headlights. Do the models that you test drove have those? If so, a possible conundrum - will you keep them? Good luck (I'd pick the SRT8).

Memphis Steve said...

Ute, I'm sort of forced to listen to this particular back seat driver, but also I wanted to know if the back is useable at all or just for looks. I am sort of stuck between the Mustang and Challenger. I don't know if that Challenger will even still be there by the time I can get back to the dealership, but it was super nice.

Sybil, it rode as well as most modern luxury cars. And I very much like the extra room inside.

Red, I have a neighbor with a '67 or '68 sticking halfway out of his tractor barn. The half in the barn, the front, has crap piled on it. I don't know what he plans to do with it because I've never seen it move in the 4 years I've lived there, but I'd sure like to take it off his hands.

SBronx, everything seems to have those headlights now. I don't think there is going to be any avoiding them. Even worse, the pickup trucks now have factory driving lights as big and bright as their headlights and mounted at headlight level, plus their regular headlights mounted at eye level to a car, so that they come at you with 4 HID bright lights in your face and 6 when they turn their high beams on. How is this legal???

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Bad Bob said...

I would shy away from the Camaro for the room reasons. How often will you be carrying more than one other person? If a lot, then Challenger. Will it be your only car? If so, then I would lean toward the Dodge. Otherwise, I'd have to say go with the Mustang because it "felt" right.
I have a 2 seater and have had it for 8 years. If I go with a group, I either drive myself or ride with someone. I plan to keep it for another 10 yrs or more if I can.

SBronxNYC said...

I think I had one of those trucks follow me the other night. I had a few ideas what to do - none of which would be worth getting caught doing. Problem is, AFTER one of those sets of HID headlights passes you on a dark road at night, your pupils are constricted, the cones, not the rods kick in and your night vision is adversely affected. THAT is when bad things can happen. I have read articles about twilight being the worst time of day to drive, get into fights, etc because that same transition negatively affects depth perception and visual (spatial) acuity. I can see where HID headlights could possibly do the same thing. Also, the cost of replacing those HID lights is well beyond that of a standard headlight bulb. Guess we should keep our shades on!

Your video gives a compelling argument in favor of the Mustang. It IS a nice car. I still think the difference in performance is very small and not enough to overcome the conveniences (size, etc) of the Challenger, unless your plans are to utilize the car more for racing. I prefer to have the HP/torque come directly from the engine (as with the SRT8),without requiring a potentially expensive add-on, such as a supercharger or turbo (they are nice, until they stop working). I'm sure both cars are a good bet though.

As far as size goes, I would guess that there in Memphis (as in The Bronx, or anywhere else these days), people are more likely to AVOID cutting off a bigger car, than a smaller one. Not always though, in which case, having the added size and mass is to your advantage ;^)

Good luck!

Heff said...

Doesn't it ALL boil down to YOU, as the DRIVER ?

I rest my case.

Get the Mustang, lol.

katherine Haze said...

Moshi Moshi Steve-son, get a Rolls Royce...or a kite. They're both plenty of fun.

Sayonara.

Memphis Steve said...

BadB, it's a tough decision. The Mustang really does feel just perfect when you get behind the wheel. But the Dodge rides smooth.

SBronx, I swear those HID lights have damaged my eyes. All of the cars in the video are naturally aspirated, no superchargers or turbos. It's the Shelby and ZL1 that are supercharged, but the video ran the GT and SS, which aren't. As for people avoiding larger cars, I think it depends on what city you're in. In my hometown, when I drive my big 4x4 with the chrome brush guard on the front, people will mess with me for no good reason. Some people feel compelled to screw with larger vehicles out of pure pissiness. In Memphis, for the most part, people who give you trouble in traffic are just stupid and don't even notice what vehicle they've just cut off.

Heff, it does, but I like my comfy ride and Memphis has a LOT of shitty roads. It's a tough call. The Mustang is fun. The Challenger is smooth and strong, a true cruising machine.

Kat, I could hang a kite out the window while I drive my muscle car and fly it real high.

Cunning_Linguist said...

I think we can all agree the Camaro is just off the table.

I stand by my assessment of the Mustang. It's a fine car but 1) there are too many of them out on the road. 2) It feels a bit nervous to me. Not something you should have at the gloves when higher horsepower is concerned.

The Chally imho is the way to go. The new 6.1 is flawless. How or why you got a hum btwn 1500-2000 rpm is beyond me. I believe an aftermarket cat-back was installed or the resonators eliminated. The car is built NOT to have that hum in that powerband. As for longevity, I think it has the best overall fit and feel for a person. The Mustang is nice for the first 9-12 months but after a while the car limits you. I kinow of nobody who gets a new car for that5 time frame.

As what was said, get the one that suits YOU. You'd be hard pressed to find more new car for that price structure.

In a used class? I've had a lot of fun in my XKR Silverstone. For the same price you can find a 2009/10. The same can be said for the 09/10 SLK's that Mercedes has come out with ( tiny carsthough). The Porsche Cayman of the same years is a TRUE enthusiast car ( not good for around town, hauling anything but ass, really. Smile? You sure will when you drive it, hoever. All the damn time).

I doubt any of the above will quite turn a head like a hemi Chally in white with a blacked out 6-pack hood ala Dirty Mary Crazy Larry style, though ;)

nitebyrd said...

You're right about the Mustang back seat. I don't have kids or ever use it much so it doesn't bother me.

My car is 6 years old and has always been in the FL sun. No cracks or much fading in the interior. It's tan, if that makes a difference. The leather seats have held up really well.

Hope that helps!

Miss Stormy Marples said...

Still leaning towards the Challenger. That video almost made me want to go for the Camaro but I'm gonna stick with the Challenger.

Miss Stormy Marples said...

Oops did I make a boo boo and say Camaro and should have been Mustang. Oh well--Challenger all the way.

Katherine Haze said...

Steve...well...what did you decide on? Antipodean minds want to know.
:)

Cunning_Linguist said...

I hate the comments section here sometimes. Pardon me whilst I go wiki antipodean now. I have no clue why we must be against podeums, but there surely must be a reason behind all of this .

SBronxNYC said...

Hey Steve - Look up the Audi Vampire Party Super Bowl commercial. I think you will appreciate it!

Katherine Haze said...

cunning: ahahaha...ha. Try not to hate the comment section. I was just being campy. :)

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Memphis Steve said...

CunniLi, the Camaro felt a tad squirrely to me but the Mustang never did. I only went about 70 mph, though. Then again, that's probably not too far from the top speed I would likely be going in it anyway. I swear I read that the 2010 SRT8 has a 6.4 liter, which is where the extra 50 hp comes from. But at this very moment there is a nice 2009 sitting at the lot wanting me to take it home. I'm tempted. I'm not sure I could get a Porsche Cayman for the same money, but if I could I'm sure it could tempt me. If I could find one.

Nite, the back seat of the Mustang may never be an issue. I can't think of the last time anyone rode in the back seat of anything I drove. I'm not writing off the Mustang just for the back seat. I may very well go for one.

Stormy, the video made me lean harder towards the Mustang, too, but only if I can find a 400 hp model for a good price. I had no idea the newest Stangs were that fast.

Kath, I have no clue what Antipodean minds are, exactly, but somehow I'm thinking it relates to pedestrians and modes of transportation. Being a lazy fucker I think I might just satisfy myself with that assumption. No decision yet. It may very well come down to which car is on the lot when I arrive with the cash.

CunniLing, Maybe she meant 'antibodeans' and is an opponent of that band the Bodeans? I may be spelling it wrong, though. I'm not sure.

SBronx, Audi Vampire? I could see Kate Beckinsale dressed in tight leather driving an all-wheel-drive Audi. She'd make it hot.

Kath, I didn't know you were into camping!

Katherine Haze said...

ahahaha...I'm not camping I'm being a camp...artifice, frivolity, naive middle class pretentiousness...you know...being theatrical.

camping does sound good though...I should go to a Hilton somewhere by a forest. :)

SBronxNYC said...

True, Kate Beckinsale would be a welcomed sight. Look up the commercial online (if you haven't already seen it) - the headlights that turn night into day - POOF, they all get vaporized! Just like they nearly do to all of us in real life!

Cheyenne said...

I have a 1997 Mustang and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Mustang is my middle name...I wish.
The other two cars are nice to look at, but I am FORD all the way.

Memphis Steve said...

Kath, I once camped in a Hilton high up in the Virginia mountains. That was some of the nicest mountain climbing/camping I ever did. But boy was my car tired when I finally reached the top!

SBronx, I watched the commercial and found it disturbing that car companies are now using their blinding headlights as a selling point. It amounts to a competition to see who can be the most selfish asshole on the highway. There's just no excuse for this.

Cheyenne, the Mustang is definitely still a strong possibility. I could get the best gas mileage and still make 400 hp with a 2011 model GT. I am certainly taking that into consideration.

BetteJo said...

Doesn't anyone buy car based on which one is the coolest anymore?? Where did all this practicality come from? No fun!

Memphis Steve said...

BetteJ, I thought I had narrowed it down to the coolest three and then begun trying to narrow down from there. Right now the Challenger and Mustang are all that's left in the ring battling it out.

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